Hi all,
this UBB is a great thing and this is the time to say thanks to all the other users who helped me at many times on this board.
But astaro could not think this is all wich happens here. To get a update i have to install every uptodate before - i have to if i would or not so i have to insert any new feature i could not do anything against if i want to have security udates and bugfixes.
This is a linux product so please astaro look to other linux-projects in many cases there are two lines,
a stable - there are only bugfixes and security updates.
and then there is the second line there are the new features and the testing of it.
---- This is a security product there is no room for testing new features ------.
If this product is used in a bigger enterprise the security is the higest wich is to do. So if its not stable enough some day my boss comes in and he will tell me that there is no more room for astaro in our business. that is the day from wich on no single ¤ / dollar will flow to astaro, it is not the money for the licenses wich counts in that moment its the security.
Please ASTARO dont let this day come.
Its not only to some more professional help here it is the way of doing the work with this great product.
hopefully for a astaro answer .....
greets
firebear
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a last thing to the marketing of astaro :
ther is no need to make a new version of Astaro ( maybe V6) before this one is stable.
i think one of the main problem is that there are to many diferent hardware configurations out there - what about the apliances? do they have the same issues? i can't understand that my system is down more times a day for about 2 minutes and others aren't.
[ QUOTE ] To answer all the questions in this UBB by an astaro employee would need tons of time and menpower.
[/ QUOTE ] It's painfully obvious Astaro is not spending ANY time on this board to answer even the most important questions
If they don't want to be expected to post reply's to our problems and known bugs, then Astaro should not post here at all. If you do it a little then more is going to be expected. It's pretty obvious by Astaro's lack of participation here the past couple of weeks, that they have basically decided on the "hands off" approach! From what I can see, there have been only a handfull of Astaro posts in the last two weeks. I'd like to think that means they are working on the bugs. But then again they just came out with 5.025, which as we know is more about another new feature than anything else. So I'm not holding my breath about them spending more time on the bugs! [:(]
They've got to know that all this bad press on this board does not boad well for thier business, especially with regards to potential customers. Not only that but some of the best advertisement they can have is by the customers themselves. I have a feeling Astaro recommendations won't come as easily from current users at this point and time! And if it does it will probably come with a word of caution!
yep,many matter was dropped,but to tell the truth..you are wrong.,this because you make a noise without fondation..
I've make moderator in position to know the existence of this tread..
what "noise" are you referring to? Some of us know Astaro is busy right now and are voicing our concerns. Some may post out of sheer frustration. Plus i am sure the moderators already know of this thread.....Simply saying"you are making noise without a foundation" is exactly what you just did..this is not an argument just trying to belittle somebody.
[ QUOTE ] yep,many matter was dropped,but to tell the truth..you are wrong.,this because you make a noise without fondation.. I've make moderator in position to know the existence of this tread..
if u dont like this product,just dont use it.
Regards lin
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sit back and relax most of the users here are old asl irons - so i think that you're not really in the position to say kinda stuff, but hey you're the man [;)]
people draw conclusions based on the information they have.
As it stands there are three key facts:
Astaro make very little information available via this forum. Astaro has identified bugs in the firewall. Astaro are releasing new features in favour of fixes.
No matter how much you debate it these three facts are true.
In my opinion two things make this thread so popular.
Lack of information via this forum from Astaro and the simple undeniable fact of anyone who is interested in security (e.g. all here) that security devices and software should not have identified bugs with no impending solution.
Cap this of with users waiting eagerly for bug fix patches to fix the problems they "personally" are having and it is a recipe for bad relations.
In my opinion Astaro should:
Start a public bug tracker Dedicate some man power to these forums Release bug fixes until we have at least one stable V5 release
and then the prolem goes away.
If this is not possible then do what all big linux projects do... have a stable and devleopment branch.
At the end of the day it is lack of information that has caused this (which is one of many) threads.
I've been following this thread in silence, biting my tongue. But enough is enough, I've got to say something, and just let the chips fall where they may:
The beating up on Astaro in this thread (and some others) is unhelpful. If some of you think Astaro has issues, go use some of the other firewalls on the market -- none of them are perfect. There isn't a single piece of software or an operating system that doesn't have bugs that need fixing, and most companies just leave the bugs in and hope the users will put up with them. It seems to me that Astaro goes out of their way to make ASL the best it can be -- and they're doing a damn good job. Just go to the ICSA website and compare Astaro against all the other firewalls in the 4.0 criteria certified list -- most of them are dysfunctional toys compared to Astaro. There is NO DOUBT that ASL has some bugs that need fixing, but there is also no doubt that Astaro developers are chewing their fingers down to the knuckles and burning the midnight oil to get it right.
I apologize if my comments offended any individual -- I'm speaking to this whole thread in general.
I'm with OfficeDefender, You're getting about a million times more than you paid for. If you're a commercial client, use the support you're paying for. These forums are for FREE support for the FREE product you're using. Would you apply a windows service pack before seeing what other problems it creates. That the risk us "early adopters" run for being on the edge. If you're so offended that Astaro doesn't pay attention to this forum the way you think they should, try Smoothwall and Dick Morrell's attitude. We'll see you back here REAL soon.
