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Site to Site vpn with asl boxes behind nat

Hello!

I try to establish site to site vpn connection between a 
asl v4 and a als v5. Both boxes are behind an adsl router.
Both router makes an nat.

On both boxes, I resived following status:
STATE_MAIN_I1 (sent MI1, expecting MR1); EVENT_RETRANSMIT in 13s

The tunnel not comes up...

Any Idea?

(sorry about  my english!)

ekk


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