[ QUOTE ] Novell today announced the availability of Novell Security Manager powered by Astaro, a complete network security solution containing six perimeter security applications with an integrated management platform. The SUSE LINUX-based soft appliance provides a comprehensive security infrastructure that protects businesses against security threats caused by hackers, viruses, worms, spam and intrusions.
[ QUOTE ] ....Security Manager becomes part of the Novell Nsure® family of identity and access management solutions, providing Linux customers with a comprehensive perimeter security product that is easy to configure and manage. Novell and Astaro are working together on a roadmap for future releases of the product....
[/ QUOTE ] .....and when Astaro becomes part of Novell ?!? [:S]
Simon, Novell looks like it's starting to go the way that MacOS went... just being a frontend on open source :-S true MacOS is parked atop a flavor of BSD but yea... :-) you know what I mean.
[/ QUOTE ]I take it then, that you have never studied Novell's NDS/eDirectory.
NDS is such a powerfull and flexible directory domain structure, that Microsoft's Active Directory looks like a sick, misborn child in comparison.
If you have ever created a user account for your self on web sites such as Yahoo.com or CNN.com, then you exist in a Novell NDS directory.
For Novell to resell ASL as the Novell Security Manager is a good thing. After all, ASL is a better product than Novell's own BorderManager Enterprise Edition, which is what I migrated from when I installed ASL to front end my home network But BorderManager had NDS integration built in, something that ASL still lacks. Hopefully this will now change. I see this new relationship between Astaro and Novell as something that will create synergy and be good for both companies.
And keep in mind Simon, as you are hiding under your table in your white camuflage paint, while Microsoft has taken a very large marketshare with their Windows Advanced server, there are still a segment of holdouts that are sticking with Novell NetWare. They include banks, police forces and military organisations. NetWare's security, auditability and virus immunity is unmatched by anything else you can buy. And NetWare is hackproof. Where else can you get a server operating system like that?
Novell is busy porting all of their good stuff to Linux. Novell, as you might not know, has basically given away all of their software for more than ten years now. What they do sell, and make money on, is per seat licenses in the NDS/eDirectory domains that you create when NetWare or NDS is used as the account directory structure in an organization. If all you need is a one or two user NetWare server for yourself, it won't cost you anything. I am still running an old NetWare 4.11 server in my basement closet, right next to my ASL v4 box. Those two machines, between them, serve all my household networking needs. When I get around to upgrading the hardware, my software upgrade path will be to take ASL to v5.1 and NetWare to v6.5.
I used to admin Novell. Yes it's good. But I would have thought it's small market share would make supporting it difficult. I think most large sites still running it mostly due to it's entrenched nature in those organisations and the difficulty of changing over?
Anyway, everyone runs whats most suitable for them.
BTW, the white paint thing is a reference to the UK TV series, "The Young Ones" when an A-bomb falls into their house. Neil paints himself white to "deflect the blast" and hides under the kitchen table.
[ QUOTE ] I used to admin Novell. Yes it's good. But I would have thought it's small market share would make supporting it difficult. I think most large sites still running it mostly due to it's entrenched nature in those organisations and the difficulty of changing over?
[/ QUOTE ]It is not the size of the marketshare that governs whether a product is easy or difficult to support. If that was true, then Microsoft Windows would be real easy to support, and Astaro Security Linux would be very difficult to support. The real issues governing the support of any software product is the diligence and responsiveness of the organization behind it. Availability of good documentation, frequency of patch releases, responsiveness to bug reports are the key items that makes supporting a product easy. Both Astaro and Novell understand this. Microsoft has been very spoiled by its large marketshare, and as an organization, is still learning what good support is all about.
You are right, there is a sizable niche market of NetWare diehards. That user base won't readily switch to Windows servers and Active Directory. However, they are quite likely to switch to Linux servers, provided that they can still have their NDS directory and the NetWare file system. That is why Novell bought Suse Linux, and is porting all their code to it.
The new Novell Security Manager (previously known as Astaro Security Linux) fits right into the Novell migration path. Once NDS capability is added to ASL, it can function as completly integrated Novell product line item.
The size of the installed base does make a huge support difference IMHO.
Yes, ASL is easy to support, because it is a relatively simple thing to admin. However... The larger the install base, the more info out there. For example, Windows software has many websites you can visit to get an answer and someone has always come across the particular problem you are having. (At least 99% of the time). So getting support answers is relatively simple.
However, with say ASL, which has a much smaller install base, you only have a few places you can go to get support. ASL offers excellent support but generally this is the exception rather than the norm.
As a rule of thumb, the more installations that exist, the more support you can get...
Good support or support availability doesn't make a good product. Do you know how many times I've ever had to call Novell for support? hmm.... uhh... never. Their knowledgebase is king.
And, so I'm told from first hand experience, if the problem is serious enough to call Novell, they have the problem fixed in no time. If they can't do it right away, they get engineers on it.
Microsoft could never top the -quality- of novell's support, even if the userbase is much larger.
[ QUOTE ] Good support or support availability doesn't make a good product. Do you know how many times I've ever had to call Novell for support? hmm.... uhh... never. Their knowledgebase is king.
And, so I'm told from first hand experience, if the problem is serious enough to call Novell, they have the problem fixed in no time. If they can't do it right away, they get engineers on it.
[/ QUOTE ]I actually had to call Novell's support this week, for the first time in years. The solution I needed could not be found in the knowledge base. They set me straight right away, and I had the problem solved and everything working the next day.
[ QUOTE ] Microsoft could never top the -quality- of novell's support, even if the userbase is much larger.
[/ QUOTE ]I gave up on calling them for support many years ago.
I can't believe people who think they are "computer smart" don't... [:)]
RED and stands out where all can see him... >
15000 users, 197 servers, 15 countries on 4 continents. Users can login from any server, anywhere, anytime. No "where's the DC, I need to login" blues for me.
To add to what Velvet Fog says, my company did a serious cost analysis and you should have seen the surprised looks on upper management when the numbers said M$ would cost almost twice what Netware would. MS = More Servers! Let's not mention the looks of disbelief on the MS account reps (someone actually did their own numbers, and did not take their FUD as gospel).
If you look at a NOS, all it is, really, is a highly specialized database application. The better the database technology, the better it works. eDirectory is to AD what Oracle is to DBase II (anybody remember that product?), ok, how about MS Access... [:O]
In my 20 some odd years supporting IT, there are two companies that stand out in my experience, where support is concerned. Cisco for Hardware, and Novell for Software.
Now that Novell has released Open Enterprise Server, we do plan on taking a serious look at the Linux side of OES, but for now, the Netware side suits us just fine.
I can't believe people who think they are "computer smart" don't... [:)]
RED and stands out where all can see him... >
15000 users, 197 servers, 15 countries on 4 continents. Users can login from any server, anywhere, anytime. No "where's the DC, I need to login" blues for me.
To add to what Velvet Fog says, my company did a serious cost analysis and you should have seen the surprised looks on upper management when the numbers said M$ would cost almost twice what Netware would. MS = More Servers! Let's not mention the looks of disbelief on the MS account reps (someone actually did their own numbers, and did not take their FUD as gospel).
If you look at a NOS, all it is, really, is a highly specialized database application. The better the database technology, the better it works. eDirectory is to AD what Oracle is to DBase II (anybody remember that product?), ok, how about MS Access... [:O]
In my 20 some odd years supporting IT, there are two companies that stand out in my experience, where support is concerned. Cisco for Hardware, and Novell for Software.
Now that Novell has released Open Enterprise Server, we do plan on taking a serious look at the Linux side of OES, but for now, the Netware side suits us just fine.