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I really want to like this product, but...

If I'd purchased this for deployment in my place of work, then I'd be looking for a refund.

1) The webfilter issues are a show stopper. I wanted to use the webfilter to enable malware/antivirus scanning on the gateway. As soon as I enable the webfilter, then Youtube, Netflix, and the kids Amazon Fire TV boxes are all rendered useless. This has been posted about several times, and there is no response.

2) My connections shows interface status up, gateway down, but it's not down. I've tried with a straight and also a crossover cable - no difference. It's working so why is it saying it is down? Must be a bug.

3) How on earth do you get the performance indicator to stay green? I'm running it on ESXi 6 and have given the box 2 cores (and even tried 4) and 6Gb of RAM. Still it's flagging performance as orange.

4) Can't get email notifications to work using my normal Microsoft Exchange hosted server. Notifications from other applications BEHIND the Sophos XG firewall work, so why don't they work from Sophos itself?

5) Support is pretty much non-existent. It just seems to consist of users helping users, and at the moment it's like the blind leading the blind - none of us can figure the product out properly and most of us are not exactly networking novices. That should be telling you something about your product.

Rant over.



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  • Until they allow multiple regex expressions per single rule this will be a continuing problem. It was brought up multiple times during beta testing and I have already addressed my feelings on that subject so I won't hijack this thread.

    Regarding no blocks showing in logging, refer to this thread https://community.sophos.com/products/xg-firewall/f/46/t/15732 by  

  • billybob, Thanks for the info. I agree with you 100% but now the million dollar question, Will they fix it? It was said so many times on the beta forum that this product was not ready for prime time but ready or not they role it out anyway. I guess that's the price you pay for early adoption and I am more then willing to hang in there and keep using it as long as they fix things in a timely manor and don't make us wait years. I can only hope that the next update due out in Jan-Feb addresses some of this stuff.
  • how is this going? I have heard only one regex is supported, so I expect it will be necessary to use the 'or' symbol so mush the 'dreashna' items into a single regex....
  • "Will they fix it" -

    That depends on what you call "fix."

    *FIX* regex by either adding it to policies or making it actually *work* on the web filter screen so someone *can* allow netflix through? Probably. If not in Jan/Feb then at some point soon. Please lets hope, and for reasons other than netflix.

    -OR- do you mean

    *FIX* the XG so that it is easier to allow netflix to get through - doubtful.

    I've seen folks in this thread and elsewhere lambaste Sophos - the XG and UTM product line - that it is too hard to allow certain streaming services and that it breaks x or y when https filtering is enabled. I really don't think folks realize THAT'S BY DESIGN. Lest we forget, this is *NOT* a product explicitly designed for home use. I love the fact that they are giving it away for technophiles and the like to play with at home, but lest we forget - it is primarily designed as a business product. Compare it to every other enterprise-grade web filter... Cisco, Websense, Edgewave's iPrism - you'll be hard-pressed to find one that will *EASILY* allow the netflix video streaming through without exempting the entire device from policy. Lets be clear: this IS NOT the fault of Sophos or the other vendors. It is primarily that 1) nextflix is NOT a business priority, 2) netflix does NOT make it easy to identify their hosts and thus allow them and 3) mobile devices are NOT very friendly to HTTPS filtering due to the certificate issues discussed previously.

    Again - this is NOT a sophos problem. The reason Sophos is getting hammered on it is that they actually encourage home users to use their product. They probably should publish some caveats with that - and some better documentation and better communication, because what they've done is created a bunch of frustrated, upset users. And that is bad and sad.

    I keep repeating this bit about HTTPS filtering and other vendors because I think it is an important security issue.... bypassing this "by design" security by allowing netflix through can have severe consequences. If you take a look at the drashna.net rules for a bit, you may be able to see the security issue... and why I believe his post is called an exercise in futility.

    ANY firewall - XG, SG, etc - that implements those rules effectively blesses every IP address on the entire net, and only filters based on the "filename" portion of the URL. It would be relatively trivial for a piece of malware to mimic the netflix - and similar video sites - url structures in order to bypass filtering, because there is literally no host/domain name checking on it.

    Honestly, based on the URLs I saw going across the wire when I tested - I'm not even sure the drashna rules will work any more - as the URLs I saw in my testing would NOT match those filters... we'll just have to see once Sophos fixes the regex filter.

    I will tell you what an unnamed agent at Sophos support told me:
    He determined - and whitelisted - a hundred or so IP addresses associated with netflix, and that's how HE got it to work at his house.
  • I agree with you mostly and particularly on the netflix streaming point. Keep in mind though, that netflix stream uses http streaming although SSL is used in combination. However regex is trivial to add and is needed in XG for a lot more than just streaming netflix. As Ray noticed, he is having troubles with microsoft downloads. I am sure sooner or later we will run into apple download issues and the list will go on and on with other device makers that run different OSes. This shouldn't require a complete bypass of firewall http/ssl rules every time for every device. They are pushing cloud infrastructure and then undermining mobile / BYOD devices that will be a part of that infrastructure?

    At home, I use dedicated streaming devices for amazon/ netflix / DirecTV streaming so I have always bypassed webproxy completely even though I had the capability to use regex in UTM. They just act better that way. But it was nice to have the option if I chose to protect them if I wanted to mess with complicated regex.

    I tried XG with open mind and I run multiple firewalls in my lab at home but found it frustrating to use. We techies shouldn't feel frustrated using any appliance and that sums up the shortcomings of XG for me. There is still hope as I found the web browsing performance snappier in XG and if they had released the incoming v1.5 as their initial release, I believe they would have had a lot fewer unhappy users. Lets see what comes in v1.5 so we can gauge the rate of evolution of XG. Keeping my fingers crossed...

  • sure, netflix may not be a service that a business needs to allow through, but consider it a test case for how well the product supports a tech person trying to accomplish a goal with the product - is there sufficient information in the log to assist with the diagnosis? are the mechanisms provided sufficient to achieve a desired result? Do they behave as advertised, are they predictable and flexible enough for a particular task? many of us have dual lives and to earn our 'yes' vote at work, a home product may do the trick. Or the reverse. I can easily see setting up some cloud service (or hybrid cloud) as causing similar difficulties as netflix. Opportunity is the word, and meeting it by burying one's head in the sand and yelling 'free home product' does not impress me in the least.
  • Great points by everyone. Now I am excited for the next update.

    Thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply...
  • So how do we get this list from the unnamed agent? Its great when people get things working but sharing is caring
  • Neal as you can see not very well. We need better support in the Regex department or we going no place.