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XG Firewall Apple TV+ Connection Issues

Ok, so I decided to give Apple TV+ a try.  I am aware of how finicky Apple products can be, but decided to give it a whirl anyway.  Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse on this.

The first issue was the XG blocking QUIC, once I allowed QUIC, streaming seemed to work fine.  Then things started going off the rails.  I now get intermittent issues where Apple Music and Apple TV+ cannot connect.  Apple TV+ provides the following message "Content Unavailable".  This occurs no matter if I use an iPad, iMac or Android box.

I use Android boxes with the Apple TV+ app installed.

Apple Music and Apple TV+ drop out every 15 or 20 minutes and they remain gone for several minutes before miraculously connecting.  During the Apple down time, the Apple TV+ connection tests pass connecting to the internet but fail with connection to Apple.  I can stream using Disney+ with full 4k HDR10 without a single hiccup at any time and no rule exemptions.  My Speedtest shows absolutely no issues with my fibre line.

I have tried a number of "troubleshooting" steps with disabling one thing or the other.  This became extremely time consuming since the XG takes a very long time to update a firewall rule.  To speed things up, I have created the following rule at the top of my rules list:

  • LAN to WAN
  • Allow any service
  • Allow any source
  • Allow any destination
  • Web Policy = "Allow All"
  • Malware scanning disabled
  • Use web proxy instead of DPI
  • App Control = "Allow All"
  • IPS = "None"

Believe it or not, with the above rule the Apple TV+ and Apple Music still refuse to connect.

At this stage I am at a complete loss as to how to troubleshoot this further.  I cannot see how the XG might be interfering with the connection.  

I should add that I am attempting to troubleshoot this from my iMac by testing the Apple TV+ app on it.

As I finish typing this post, Apple TV+ & Apple Music both came back online.



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  • Have you tried looking at the various logs on the XG to see if you spot anything? In my case, I use DPI as much as possible, so the first place I look when a problem occurs is in that log, and then add exceptions as necessary (in the SSL/TLS inspection rules, as a group).

    I block QUIC entirely on my network and never have problems. (It's a problem if you turn on QUIC blocking, because devices already using it might not adapt, but when I rebooted those devices and they came back up and sensed QUIC was blocked, they fell back to non-QUIC -- as they should -- and worked. But I don't have any Google devices, and Google may force your hand because they don't want you watching what they do on your network.

    Do you have the "Use web proxy instead of DPI" on to try to not use DPI for this test? I'm not sure that this totally overrides your SSL/TLS inspection rules, and would suspect that.

    Do you have any endpoint software running on your Android device that might be blocking things? (Thinking your Android Device might be a TV, though, which wouldn't have endpoint software on it.)

    Are you using clientless users and requiring Known Users in your firewall rule? Are you running IPv4/IPv6 dual-stack? You don't have any exclusions on the firewall rule and the firewall rule is scheduled for All The Time?

  • Hi,

    all apple device will not put up with decrypt and scan, they need an exception or a rule that allows their traffic through. I have a specific rule for the Apple devices that only allows them to connect to Apple sites. If you review thew SSl/TLS exception list you willl find it has exceptions for APPLe networks. Further the XG calssification system mis-classifies some of the Apple traffic which depends on how strict your rules are might be causing part of your issue.

    My network has mac mini.MBPs, ipad , timemachine and iPhones all using the FQDN except rule for IP4 traffic and IP addressing for IPv6 traffic. As Wayne advised QUIC is not used and is blocked.

    Ian

    Edit:- and I forgot an Apple TV.

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  • In my case, I'm using an AppleTV, which does access Apple sites, but using it to do Youtube and Amazon Prime Video, and neither of those services tolerate DPI either. I had to add their servers to exception lists and every couple of months they'd bring another one online and things would break and I had to add it... so I eventually just exempted the AppleTV (via clientless user).

    Plus Youtube appears to use its image server to insert pixel trackers in websites so I shut that down on my laptops, but have to allow it on the AppleTV or I don't get thumbnails of videos. :-(

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  • In my case, I'm using an AppleTV, which does access Apple sites, but using it to do Youtube and Amazon Prime Video, and neither of those services tolerate DPI either. I had to add their servers to exception lists and every couple of months they'd bring another one online and things would break and I had to add it... so I eventually just exempted the AppleTV (via clientless user).

    Plus Youtube appears to use its image server to insert pixel trackers in websites so I shut that down on my laptops, but have to allow it on the AppleTV or I don't get thumbnails of videos. :-(

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